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They will garb your brother Robb in silks, satins, and velvets of a hundred different colors, while you live and die in black ringmail. He will wed some beautiful princess and father sons on her. You’ll have no wife, nor will you ever hold a child of your own blood in your arms. Robb will rule, you will serve. Men will call you a crow. Him they’ll call Your Grace. Singers will praise every little thing he does, while your greatest deeds all go unsung.

And I realise that this is extra awful / poignant / awful because Robb will end up gone, and he will end up alive; Robb’s family will be dead, and Jon’s brothers will not. aldaskldjalkdjalsdkj (and then what happens in Dance of Dragons. OKAY I HAVE SO MANY FEELS.)

“The man I considered my closest friend has seized my home and my brothers.”

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So, I feel like I need to say a little more about this. First, establishing some things:

• I realise that Jeyne Westerling had very little personality in the books.
• I think that Talisa actually could be a very interesting character, if GoT was not based off of said books.

Things that bother me:

• Talisa is completely unrelated to anything in Game of Thrones. This seems weird, because she’s from the show Game of Thrones, but hear me out. She is:
• A healer who does battlefield amputations, when such things are, canonically, left to the Silent Sisters. Also, she’s a woman on a battlefield, which is rare in any case.
• From Volantis. We don’t actually know anybody from Volantis. So there’s no way to relate to her there.
• She’s apparently a ?Maegyr? (ie her last name) which is not a family that exists in the books, has no allegiance to anyone, has no actual reason why she’s following around Robb’s army patching people up - why not Renly’s army, or Stannis’, or running around in the Salt Flats helping heal people from all the bandits?
• She has abandoned her family in a way that no one else in Game of Thrones does. She left her highborn mother and father and brother to run around being a doctor - which is very nice for the people that she’s helping, but even Arya doesn’t make the choice to just up and leave her family, it’s a choice. She ends up going to braavos because she’s got no where else to go, not because she thinks her family is a bunch of losers.

So, what it all boils down to is that you have this character. She’s very sweet, she’s young, she’s innocent. She and Robb sleep together from a lack of willpower / spur of the moment thing, and because she’s noble, and it’s a matter of honor (and hormones and love), Robb marries her. Now, we’ve got this character, who is sarcastic, who is unlike any other person in the Game of Thrones world, male or female , she’s been around Robb for weeks, his men hate her, his mother dislikes her, she has shown she does not care for normal societal conventions, and (note IT IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT SHE IS NOT A VIRGIN IF SHE IS NOT.) from the way HBO framed her actions, it is highly suspect that she is a virgin, which means that for Robb to marry her, he would have a: been around her for weeks, b: going against every single person around him, c: married her for ? reason, and it just makes a lot less sense.

I get them remaking Jeyne. Fine. What I don’t get is why did they make a person who does a job that’s not a job, from a family that’s not a family, from a region we know nothing about, with a personality unlike anyone in westeros, and just expect that to be totally cool and the same and work with Robb as a character. :(

sansastarkly:

I really enjoy Robb and Talisa’s characters this season, because I feel like they’re both very similar. They seem to both feel that they can do what needs to be done and still be a good person while doing it (which may or may not be true), if that makes any sense. 

I agree it makes sense - I think a lot of the fandom backlash is happening because she’s the only character who seems to be randomly generated from a bunch of things that are never mentioned in GoT. Personally, I’d like her a hell of a lot more if GoT wasn’t based on ASoIaF. =/ I don’t think she’s a bad character if we’re doing a show from the start, like Six Feet Under or something.

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barbreyryswells:

hotelsongs:

I’ll disclaim this as such: I never had feelings about Robb, or Jeyne, or Robb/Jeyne—meaning, no antipathy, and came into the show with nothing but endless curiosity as to how it’d be treated, because the show shedding light on underdeveloped characters…

So I’m going to be honest, and say that the whole Talisa thing leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. It’s supposed to be a statement on love, duty, and honor - that Robb loves this girl, that he goes with his hormones and his heart before his head, and has to marry her because she’s noble, and because for once in his life he’s doing this thing for him, and it all goes to hell in a handbasket because he has broken his oath to the Freys, and he can’t do what he wants and he’s hemmed in by conventions and it ultimately leads to a giant horrorshow. 

There is no reason for him to marry Talisa. She has made it really clear that social conventions don’t matter to her, since she up and left home, left her parents, and now is doing a job that no one else in all of Westeros seems to do who is not a silent sister. The maesters? Not running around on the battlefield. It bothers me that she’s such a ~rebel~, that she’s a ~special snowflake.~ I love that the women in GoT have agency, and if Robb fell in love with an independant doctor-woman who just happened to be in the books because there were such things? Great! 

But that’s not the story. Jeyne is not that woman. Jeyne is kind; Jeyne is a lord’s daughter. Jeyne has almost no personality in the books, but when they take her crown, she sobs and says It was mine, he gave it to me. I loved him. and it’s not something I can see Talisa doing. 

This is besides the point that it annoys the everloving shit out of me that she didn’t have a shift on under her dress, and from her actions, she does not seem like this is her first rodeo, so IT’S NOT A MATTER OF HONOR. (It’s fine if I’m misreading it, and she was totally just a really gung-ho virgin, but it seems doubtful) but having sex with her on the floor isn’t ruining her, which means he doesn’t have to marry her, because he married her because of honor, and ajsahdkjASH BLAH. /keymash

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Robb Stark - King in the North
Series 02 - Episode 06 

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When a good man goes to war.

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